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Straight White/Caucasian Male, 54
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In my view, the first four words of your posting answer your question . . . . . "My lady works with" . . . . Maybe just give a little consideration to your "senses" being off on the ladies open mindedness. If any approach goes South, you lady still has to work the the Lady . . . . .
Quote by LeeEC
So Lee,
What's going on with your newbie? You have gone very quiet about him. Get any further? What gifts did he bring you?
Gr8

Really? You want me to kiss and tell? What if the newbie was you?
I think that's bad form - what do others think?
My husband always says... you don't want other people to talk about your playdates with them right?
So we won't talk about your playdates with them smile
Fair comment and good guide lines . . . only thing is, as far as this particular chap is concerned, we already know just about everything else except play details . . . . . . . and if it was @Gr8time2live he might have had a word or two for you
As far as the world of sex is concerned, racism is much less of an issue when nobody knows about who is doing who . . . . .
Quote by Stamina
I have made an educated estimate in the long while I have been on this site... 10% of members here serious, the rest are just curious. I bet if you bullshit those guys right back you will see a different scenario. Tell them that wife wants to meet them alone and I guarantee you they will show up... give them some bogus address and waste their time right back... he he he, revenge is always sweet..

Ready - - - - Aim - - - - Fire
And Stamina shoots himself in the foot again . . . .
Quote by Mike_Pta
I don't think the wine was a suggestion that went with my "only for play" ruling. .. I prefer Appletizer for play smile

I will say as a possible idea for a gift could be something for the bedroom like massage oils or so.
resistance is futile . . . .
NSA = No Strings Attached . . . . (physical experience)
Gifts = Some or other sort of expectancy (favours / return gifts etc)
Toys for Playtime = Heightened pleasure during playtime
Swing chat before a meet is partly to establish rules, if you have an issue with gifts, make it one of the rules you add, if other person is persistent about gifts, just imagine how the whole play-date experience is likely to turn out . . .
If a person is looking for more from NSA hook-ups then they should perhaps consider a dating site as an alternative route (the "perhaps" is largely because I have zero knowledge about dating sites)
@Playcouple said it perfectly . . . . . Steer Clear of people like this
These are my views, if you do not agree with them, you have every right not to, but like I said, these are MY views.
A really frustrating experience I'm sure. Like Flagg says, couple do this too, so do single females . . ... People are all after all just people, and each one of us have different views on what is acceptable and what is not. What they have done, has little to do with them being single (or being male) it has more to do with them not having any manners. Perhaps they were overwhelmed by the fact that something was actually going to happen for real. Regardless, they were / are still rude and should have had the decency to either not commit to something that they never intended to do, or if things changed at least excused themselves. What they have "done" to you and your planned event, has now given you a negative view on the single male, the same view would have been formed if it was a few couples that done the same thing to you and your planned event. I got "caught" once, and after that, I insist in a public meet first, if they don't show up for the public meet I can still have a light meal / coffee / drink etc and the whole outing is then not a complete waste. Just for clarity, I am not for one second proposing that the single male of the species is actually an ok being, while most of us probably are, we are after all still human.
Quote by USinPE
newbie couple here.. Is there a couples dogging scene in PE?
We have been searching the site and PE/Eastern cape seems like a dead,dead place in this regard.

Dogging being quiet is not unique to PE / EC.
From what I have read from some of the more avid Dogging enthusiasts that are members on this site, it does happen, but very rarely. It seems patience is the key . . . .
My own opinion is that the region you are in has very little to do with what people do or don't do, it's just the bigger the region (population wise) the more frequent the happenings . . . . Take the little town where I live as an example (going off topic here) but you remember the Springs Monster case a little while back? well our local paper today shows a story that Quote " makes the Springs monster look like the Easter Bunny" Unquote. . . . . .
Quote by Flagg
Hi all veteran forum members!
Does anyone know whether there is an active true naturism community in the Johannesburg north area? And, if so, how do you access it?
It does not necessarily have to be a resort (based on my research - not existent any more), but just a medium to meet other naturists, whether on-line or in person.
I have tried some of the "free" on-line sites, but most end up with limited South African members, and I am not really keen to pay in dollars/pounds only to be contacted by European single men with, what I can only assume to be, a different view of the reasons to actually want to interact with other naturists.
Any advice/guidance appreciated!

Sorry to say that I cannot help on the subject matter as such. I would expect that naturalism would be more concentrated in the coastal areas compared to inland places such as JHB.
But I do feel your pain when searching for something and all they want you do do is pay, and once paid . . . . useless info / input from people in another country.
Quote by Potpiper
I am very curious about older women. thing is would one get rejected for being young or do older women go for younger men wink what do they look for?

Different people enjoy different things, and sometimes even at different times.
So the best answer I can give here is yes and no.
Quote by Mike_Pta
Maybe a touch extreme . . . . .
Much like the "false promise" enlargement pills and pumps etc make . . . . if these kinds of "aids" were effective, just about every guy in the world would have a dick that reached his knee . . .

As far as I know a pens pump for erectile dysfunction shortens your penis by 2cm or so.
really? any idea over what period of time?
Quote by Gr8time2live
I do agree BUT does their choice of underwear the you anything about the person?

I would not know, I would of course like to know, seeing as I like as much info about the female of the species as possible . . .
Quote by Gr8time2live
The guys at work and I have been having this argument and maybe some of you can shed some light on the matter.
Does the type/kind/colour etc of underwear a woman wears tell you anything about her personality or what kind of person she is? For example; does an innocent lady wear white panties and a naughty school girl wear a gstring to school?
I would love to be enlightened!! This will settle the office talk I'm sure!

Naughty school girls Underwear and "Office talk" in the same sentence . . . . . . .
But to answer your question, yes, it does tell you something about them, it tells you about their choice of underwear . . .
Maybe a touch extreme . . . . . Much like the "false promise" enlargement pills and pumps etc make . . . . if these kinds of "aids" were effective, just about every guy in the world would have a dick that reached his knee . . .
Quote by mynlc
What I find strange is the sexism of swinging... it seems single male = asshole but single female = OK.
And the attitude that "single males are not swingers" but a single female is?

It goes one better than that outside swinging too . . . . . Single guy getting laid is a hero . . . Single female getting laid is a slut. No-one is ever happy . . .
Quote by Sparks5
Here is the problem, single gents and ladies are complaining for being sidelinedby( couples )swingers ,this makes them rude at the end bcoz for example if you seek sex and you get pushed away how would you feel? you become mad &you cry,at the sametime i get couples point,i understand them,then give us ideas as single that what shoul we do so that we don't disturb you, i love you swingers and iknow this site is for swingers but could you please help us coz we also like to have fun like you guyz!not to be used,

It's pretty simple really. If a profile (any profile) says NO SINGLES, then do not contact them. You yourself have what you are looking for in your profile, and if anybody who did not fit into those areas contacted you, you might also be a little offended.
Quote by Adonis
If you looked at previous forums that exactly what i asked, bit then told that people have rights and that's only a debate.
Thanks for the people, afterwards send me mails and agree with my point.

It seems as if people only have rights on this topic if they have a certain skin tone. I hope that I get to see a man being a man and no longer a man being a black man or white man in my lifetime, but I somehow doubt even my children's children will get to see that.
Quote by LeeEC
No surprises for the Eastern Cape. ... us old verkrampte farts!
Ha ha. .. Maybe we should put an ad in the paper telling people is Ok to be sexually liberated!

there we go again, "telling" people . . .
Quote by MaverRick
Thank you lee. I was beginning to wonder when someone would realise that the point was completely lost

Just a pity it could not have been you.
Quote by Psk
Our first time was a mfm threesome. Me and the missus had been talking about swinging for a while and eventually I decided to surprise her. I had been chatting to a guy online and eventually met him and discussed rules etc. one evening I drew her a romantic bath. Candles, bubble-bath sexy book to read etc. I let the guy in without her knowing and when she got out of the bath I blindfolded her and tied her to the bed. The guy came into the room and started touching her. Only after I spoke from across the room after a few minutes did she realize that it was not me, and then the real fun started wink This was one of her fantasies, so I knew she would love it. We also had safe words to stop all play if we wanted to.

Nice to hear a "successful" surprise encounter story. :thumbup:
Quote by Stamina
Its true in life everyone is there to win and be the winner, but the fact is that there can only be one winner. But that not mean you had to stop trying and for the most of us its more for the fun as the win.
Good example of a sport where there still a advantage to be a women is golf, Me playing golf, i could not even reach the women's tee of box. But every time i had the change i play again. Why did i play golf firdt for the fun and not reach the womens tee box i had to buy a round.
I think what is also true is people who want to be the winner in an argument as well, and when he not the winner they became agro, and where did you see it the best, yes you right here in the forum.
All i hope is that the "Springbokke" also have the winners mentality.:giveup::giveup::giveup::giveup:

Golf is perfect example to cement my point. Ladies can play a damn good game of golf... bearing in mind that their T box is much closer to the pin and they play each hole a shorter distance than men... A woman can not reach a 400 meter par 4 in 4 or less shots from the men's T... it is a strength issue though because there is nothing different with their short game and approach shots, only driving carries the advantage of being closer. But they are still given an advantage... just saying. wink
BUT, in fairness guy's, there are a number of MEN on the golf course that should be using the ladies T-Box.
Quote by LeeEC
Wow... leave for a whole day and I come back to find you chaps having body shots and swinging from the chandeliers!
Bluddy hell!! Why, oh why, did I go to work??

Body Shots ????
Quote by playcouple
Guys , also remember that this was my first time. I was nervous, hesitant, excited, and a few other emotions at the same time. I spent a lot of time checking other people out for a few reasons. I wanted to see if there was anyone there that msy know me, I wanted to see if I was the ugliest/fattest/most out of shape/smallest dick etc etc in the place . I spoke to exactly 4 people the couple above, the doorperson and the bartender and thst was only to order a drink!
I spent the rest of the time "people-watching" - pretty much what PiB does but with the eyes of a newbie!

Welcome and congrats on taking the dive, :P wishing you lots of juicy pleasure smile
Personally I think most people would notice if they are the only one in an environment, I know I would and from past experience at functions in Tokoza etc. I did feel like a sore thumb until someone broke the ice for me. Just like I noticed that I was the only one in the whole street dressed up like a chicken as a teenager doing promotional work.
Ok, but was one of your first actions after this / these experiences, to go on line and tell other people?
Online didn't exist and and there are no common interest forums that I know of for the Thokoza etc functions, if there are I am not a member of any, so answer is no, however if I were I probably would.
I did post a pic on facebook though of the one, does that count?
I suppose it does. Did you also add a caption regarding the race ratio's? Not 100% sure the people of Thokoza would be all that impressed if you did, but who knows.
My take on it would be Yes and No . . . . .different people want / need / feel differently about the same thing. It's like the old saying "treat me as an equal, but open the door for me" . . . Stamina young man, another potential possibility here (darts scenario) is that the ladies are looking at this as a "Fun & Not Serious" outing / evening and maybe the competitive nature of the game of darts is actually what is not working for them. My suggestion to you to counteract this would be that each male should drink 4 Scotches and a Six Pack before the games start. Then when they start throwing like a bunch of . . . . and become angry, they can rip each others throats out while the ladies carry on playing and one of them wins it. You know, "be yourself, just differently" . . . . .
Quote by Stamina
Why do I gotta be the lab rat??

what? you rather wanna be a mouse?
Dude, you had the vision, so you get the mission . . .
My first was "planned" My first wife decided she wanted to experience another lady. We looked, found acted on. Was great fun, and I often wonder what else would have happened if we stayed together.
Quote by Pussinboots1
Well I know when I have done something I liked or done new, Like visiting Beefcakes here in Cpt I write about it!!! I like to share and I like to know what others think.
I once again think it is a quite *normal* thing to do...to share and ask questions.
Also I am glad that M did this he is giving us all something to chat about!!!

Look, all I am getting at is, if I was going to write about my visit to a sex club, I do not think I would leave out details like, dick size, shapes, gender ratio, people I knew etc etc in order to mention something about how many people of the same race as me where there.
Whatever anybody else chooses to add to their write up is their choice, but as we have all said countless times, if you are going to put something on-line, there is bound to be someone who may not quite agree with you. Take my comments on the matter as an example, nobody else who contributed seems to agree with me, and that's fine, we all have our own varying views.
Quote by Pussinboots1
Come on guys I have touched BOTH subjects before....either in a comment On a forum or one I have written...
I know I have written about saline injections (it is after all also kinky related and I do kinky) quite a bit and mostly for men who would like to have the experience of breasts.
also for men who likes to have larger testicles.
I also have written something or commented somewhere about silicone implants in the testicles when one is larger than the other (well it is after all a cosmetic procedure) or when a gent has lost one testicle or was born with some form of deformity.
I also touched the subject of bead in-plants into the penis shaft to make it feel like a studded condom....this is permanent in-plants
Oh lordy lord, I hope it was on here on SH that I did the above......but I am sure I to lazy to go and browse the thousands of comments I already made......
As for enchanted boobs if the procedure is done with out stretching the skin into a abnormal shape for the ladies body...or just to fill empty skin(after breast feeding)and the lady chooses nicely fitted prosthesis then she could really look and feel stunning it am mostly talking about those abnormal one size larger boobs girls like have that is really not suitable to their body size.
As for reduction I am all for it ...too large breasts are really hurts one`s back.

I remember your write up, BUT I really wanna read Stamina's after he sticks that needle in his Dick . . . wink
Quote by Stamina
Did anybody watch a documentary recently on Discovery... About saline injecting? it is quite the craze in the east of the world. Young club goers inject saline liquid in their foreheads and make shapes. It also gets injected other places and creates a massive swelled look. It dissipates (absorbed by the body) after about 8 hours. It is safe and has no real side effects. Essentially the same liquid in a medical drip.
As this was a family show they only mentioned the few "non-private" areas where this is injected. I am sure one can inject the penis and greatly increase its overall mass for a few hours safely. This should work like a dream for women who have a night out planned. They can enlarge their Breasts temporarily and safely... I think.

please do keep us informed as to how the said experiment worked on you Stamina . . . .
My take on it, is that as long as the moaning is "real" then moan away, if that's what works for you.
Quote by playcouple
Guys , also remember that this was my first time. I was nervous, hesitant, excited, and a few other emotions at the same time. I spent a lot of time checking other people out for a few reasons. I wanted to see if there was anyone there that msy know me, I wanted to see if I was the ugliest/fattest/most out of shape/smallest dick etc etc in the place . I spoke to exactly 4 people the couple above, the doorperson and the bartender and thst was only to order a drink!
I spent the rest of the time "people-watching" - pretty much what PiB does but with the eyes of a newbie!

Welcome and congrats on taking the dive, :P wishing you lots of juicy pleasure smile
Personally I think most people would notice if they are the only one in an environment, I know I would and from past experience at functions in Tokoza etc. I did feel like a sore thumb until someone broke the ice for me. Just like I noticed that I was the only one in the whole street dressed up like a chicken as a teenager doing promotional work.
Ok, but was one of your first actions after this / these experiences, to go on line and tell other people?