We enjoy being watched. In our adventures to date we have probably had 150 or more people watch us play. That includes voyeurs rooms at clubs, on the dancefloor or bar at clubs, out in public, and the few occasions we responded to ads online for guys wanting to watch a couple fuck while they sat there and jerked off.
Did we mention we enjoy being watched? 🤣
People have free will to associate. That free will extends to their decision making and freedom of speech. If it is their will to advertise on their Facebook that they don't like whites - then power to them. Since you asked a question - I will answer and I hope you'll afford me the same courtesy. I don't have FB. But if I did and if my choice in life was to only mix with whites - then yes I would state so on that platform. I might not be as overt as some of the profiles on here. Having reasonable command of your birth language affords many the opportunity to practise tact and I would hope that my sensitivity in handling my life choice would be accepted by the reader.
The day we are constrained from voicing our preferences any ANY platform is the day our democracy dies. If people feel offended that other people, of a different demographic to them, have the right to say clearly and unambiguously on their Swinging Heaven profile that they don't want to fuck people of other persuasions - then the issue in all sincerity sits with the that special snowflake. They would be well advised to go read section 16 of our constitution. If they struggle to read it - they should ask somebody with an IQ above 70 to help them. Furthermore, if they think that bitching about how other people go about voicing their preferences is going to change the hearts and minds of the very people that don't want to fuck them... they are sadly mistaken and bound to spend many miserable hours on this or any other platform.
As already stated - as a couple we have no issue with, and HAVE played across colour lines. What we do have issue with; is your assertion that people should not be allowed to make their racial preferences known if they feel that strongly about it. They don't want to waste their, or anybody else's time.
Have you updated your Linkedin and FB profiles yet?
Quote by playfulpeepsQuote by 2some4funI am not arguing the merits of Employment Equity and this is not the question I asked at all because EE based hiring IS socially acceptable in the real world.
Well technically on Linkedin I see it daily. Its called broad based black economic empowerment and is described as employmemt equity postions available. Not bitching about it. But yeah they're there. Its the reason I started my own company actually. Companies wouldnt hire me because I didnt add value to their BEE certificate. So I figured fck'em. I'll do my own thing. Only mentioning since you asked.
The question was - If we as a modern society collectively agree this wrong in the real world, then why are we so quick to defend this behaviour on SH?
Trying to rationalize human behavior and comparing it across platforms like LinkedIn and Facebook is absurd. Those are commercial intended for business or social intended for friendly/vanilla interactions. SH is one where people market for fucking. To expect behavior across all platforms to be equal is ridiculous and you're reaching.
I tell you what - go and post on your FB and LinkedIn that you're looking for black guys to fuck your wife and THEN we'll talk. Till then - your argument is mute.
We predict many more voyeur rooms being set up in peoples homes. A couple stands this side of the window watching you go at it. Then its your turn. They thank you through the window and leave...
Or those see through bouncy (boy in the bubble) balls. Two of them in the room... a couple inside each one.
Fun.
NOT! 😟
Well technically on Linkedin I see it daily. Its called broad based black economic empowerment and is described as employmemt equity postions available. Not bitching about it. But yeah they're there. Its the reason I started my own company actually. Companies wouldnt hire me because I didnt add value to their BEE certificate. So I figured fck'em. I'll do my own thing. Only mentioning since you asked.
Quote by FreshmanQuote by 2some4funExactly. Be racist if you want to. Do not broadcast it to the world and wear it as a bagde of honor as Playfullpeeps so eloquently put it. Don't show the world how proud you are of your racist preference. It doess not suit the kind of platform where open-minded people frequents.
@freshman So your stance therefore officially is: Its ok to not want to play across color lines. It's ok to reject advances from anybody of a different ethnicity as you - as long as you only think and feel it. But you just can't say it. The action of committing it to writting or vocalizing it are racist. The other actions are fine? Correct?
Guess it boils down to interpretation then. We have seen many profiles with the terminology "we don't play with other races". And we have seen it on black / white / coloured and indian profiles. Not once did we ever take offence to it. Perhaps we are too liberal? We construed it to mean that those profiles found comfort in their own demographic or had preference to one demographic over another. Whatever their reason - we moved along swiftly. We did not send them a message saying our feelings were hurt / or that we took offence to it. We embraced it for what it was/is. Their journey.
If rejection based on any manner of preference causes you offence... oh boy do we have news for you. The lifestyle is FULL of rejection. It's not mandated anywhere that this one HAS to play with that one. It's about choice. Some people prefer not to beat around the bush about it. That's all. They dont want countless emails and winks from any particular "value set" that doesn't appeal to them. Some contributors on this thread would prefer these people say nothing and then endure the inevitable sifting through countless unwanted emails? Aint nobody got time 'fo that FFS. Many peoples vanilla time in their real world is so short in value - they hardly have enough time to kuir with family and friends. And now they must cut their "fun time" even more to that, to humour those people who cant handle being told in a forthright and direct manner "we don't want contact from XYZ". Please....
In 6 years we have NEVER seen a derogatory name used for any other race/creed on any profiles be it here or the many other Swingers sites/platforms we frequent. In fact, we have come to learn that swingers are some of the most accepting people out there. Far greater than society in general. People need to perhaps stop being so sensitive to words. Its their choice to choose to include you. Just like its your choice to keep scrolling and also your choice to feel offended by their choice.
To reiterate. We as a couple embrace ALL colours/creeds/ages/orientations. While we do have a value set that we adhere to fairly astutely when it comes to play partners (generally related to size and aesthetics). If the synergies flow and the chemistries abound - chances are we'll get along and have heaps of fun. Outlook determines Outcome. If you have a sizeable chip on your shoulder which emanates from insecurities - then sincerely, that's a whole other issue.
@freshman So your stance therefore officially is: Its ok to not want to play across color lines. It's ok to reject advances from anybody of a different ethnicity as you - as long as you only think and feel it. But you just can't say it. The action of committing it to writting or vocalizing it are racist. The other actions are fine? Correct?
Just to be clear.
If your preference (choice) in the lifestyle is muscular and well toned playmates - you can say as much, and its fine. You're not bodyshaming. Noted.
If your preference (choice) is that playmates be shaved where it counts - you can say so and it's fine. You're not hirsuteshaming. Noted.
If your preference (choice) is for non-smokers only - you can say so and it's fine. You're not tobaccoshaming. Noted.
If your preference (choice) is for couples or single females only - you can say so and it's fine. You're not sexshaming. Noted.
But if your preference is to play within your own race - you may not say so because then you're a racist. Rather don't list that preference and let people message you which you can then choose to ignore. Or waste your and their time sending them a delined message. Gotcha.
#HypocrisyMuch #SnowFlakesEverywhere
Actually. We are on a number of Swinging platforms. Some international and race IS recorded when you sign up and CAN be a determining choice when seeking out playmates. Fact. So no. Its not a South African thing. SH may not have it as a feature and so be it.
We get it... You want to play across racial lines. Good for you. Very progressive. But some don't. Good for them. Thats their choice.
It's a lifestyle that embraces choice. Its one of the cornerstones of happy swinging. But to denigrate somebody based on their choices is as bad as the strawman argument that they are worse off morally because they also have preferences.
We aren't advocating for anybody. We have, and do cross racial lines when we play. Do we vilify anybody that doesnt? No. Why? Because its their choice.
Think of it this way @Playfulpeeps: Your profile specifies you only want contact from couples and single females. Some might argue that it's tasteless to publicly spurn single males purely because of their relationship status. Do you dislike single males? No you dont. You just want to limit them flooding your inbox since they aren't what youre looking for surely? We figure its the same with people who state "we arent into cross racial play". Its not a "badge of honor". It their preference. Intended to eliminate wasting their (or others) time.
Almost every couple has theirs. That story about "the chat". You know, the one about how and why the topic of swinging first arose in your relationship. When we first meet couples face to face we love hearing theirs. Who raised it. Why it was raised. What was the spouse's reaction. How it went from there.
Ours is a little unconventional since we both each kinda had one foot in the lifestyle when we met.
What's your story?
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just remember some pics are those between husband and wife's and therefore no condom
That's a given. But the OP specifically mentions single guys as I was going through photos hoping to entice some single guys to join us for a GB that hubby was planning. And it's on the single guys profile that we saw a lot of high risk play. Regular play partner or not. Its safety always for us.
They have a saying in Afrikaans. I belive it's... NorraVok! Would not. Could not. Call me shallow - I do care what a woman looks like. Confidence is great... in the boardroom or on the sportsfield.
Standing in a room and a very confident Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma strides over... but then I see a shy and awkward looking, Angelina Jolie standing in the corner - I know who I gonna be freaking with later !
Sorry Pooh-C. We agree with the Valentines on this. The adage is Once Bitten - Twice Shy. We are 3 times bitten. The amount of people clinging to their glory days is horrendous. Couples and singles yearning for the days before Uber eats. When they actually made it to a gym and did a work out once or thrice a week instead of ordering in fast food daily and fondly remember the days when they were in shape and that shape wasn't a circle. Or the couples that maintain some sort of daily skin care regimen to ensure that father time hasnt changed that once soft and sensual skin to hard, grainy, coarse leather. And the problem with many of those people... they send you the pics they took in their prime. And have no qualms about passing them off as their "present day" templates.
We've been caught by 3 of those couples. Pitching up at a bar/resturant to meet and struggling to recognise the people/person that eventually presents themselves. Their Mr sits down and we disciver to our horror, he has let himself go. And while he may have been a model in his heyday - now he'd only be hired to represent the before picture in a Fat Busters commercial. Or their Mrs sits down and we recoil as we see that she was the unfortunate recipient of a case of severe fever blisters. Spending most of her evening dabbing the ooze emanating from the 4 open sores on her lower lip. Imagine pitching at a hotel you've paid for and Shrek and Fiona arrive. Or worse Mrs Large and Mr Larger. Thats why we meet first face to face to test real world chemistries. Then and only then do we commit to something carnal.
Quote by fadnadQuote by 2some4funcan ask what is risky about camming would like to know so we not got with our paints downQuote by fadnadOther than our T w i t t e r account (where we post once or twice a fortnight)...we arent. Well not with others anyway. Sexting isn't our thing. Camming is too risky (also not what we're into). So we focusing our kinky activities on setting things up for when it is socially responsible to go out. And any other time is spent doing what we love best...
ok what I meant was how are you having fun with social distances like are you and hubby taking sexy pics and exchanging them maybe video call with other couples with no contact
We know of two incidents where a couple and a single were recorded during their S k y p e cam session. The software to enable you to record on Z o o m / S k y p e etc is freely available. Being recorded doesn't sound very nefarious - except in both instances the other party doing the recording threated to post the video onto adult sites unless payment was received. Yeah No. We'll pass...
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ok what I meant was how are you having fun with social distances like are you and hubby taking sexy pics and exchanging them maybe video call with other couples with no contact
Other than our T w i t t e r account (where we post once or twice a fortnight)...we arent. Well not with others anyway. Sexting isn't our thing. Camming is too risky (also not what we're into). So we focusing our kinky activities on setting things up for when it is socially responsible to go out. And any other time is spent doing what we love best...
Quote by PoohCQuote by 2some4funJust so we both understand .... We are NOT friends! Lol
We have made friends in the lifestyle. We no longer play with those couples. We cherish the friendship part more then the sex. Not to say the sex was bad. But the friendship is better. If it comes to playing - Booty Calls for us please. Hit It Then Quit It.
🤭☺️ Good to know...
Read their profile. Carefully. Digest what they've said. There are often MANY nuances in a bio. Once you've read their profile carefully. Read it again. Then one more time to be certain. Look for any common interests and adress those in your opening adress. Take time to pen a thoughtful introduction. Compliments go a long way if they are sincere. I crack up at the comments in the gallery. Guys will literally say anything to get into panties. Mean what you say. Be sincere regarding a brief summary of your experience. If a meet is concluded (example a drink to test face to face synergies) offer to pick up the tab ffs. Most couples will insist on paying their portion. But at least offer. The amount of creeps that we've had to pay for drinks for is ludacris. You coming for a drink. Bring 'yo damn wallet fool. If you make it to their bedroom find out what THEIR hard rules/limits and preferences are. Swinging is a couple thing. Singles are an add on to facilitate THEIR pleasure. Acknowledge this and appreciate it for what it is...
