This site is very quickly becoming a sausage fest! When I joined, it was still a fairly young site and there were way less males than couples. Looks like the secret is out... Almost every "nsa hookup" site is a pay site, the walking penises out there have found what they perceive to be a free site offering what other "nsa" sites charge for.
If I go out to a club, lounge, pub, etc, and I walk in to find 400 men and 20 girls, I leave!! Men are competitive and egotistical... This site ain't big enough for all of us!
Suggestion: All mew males joining should have a time limit to get verified, lets say 30 days. If not verified in this time then the profile should be removed. That way, the few of us that know what this site is for and are verified and accepted by the community can stop being in the stereotype shadow.
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Orgasminator
Stamina,
I must agree with you, my 2 cent to this is that every member on the site must go trough a 30 day trail period.
Can chat in the pool, no whisper and can only look at one cam.
After 30 days a lot will find out they on the wrong site
Orgasminator
Some statistics,
Active members the last 90 days
Single men 8935 %
Single female 1073 %
Couples 2630 % % not active the last 90 days
Total members 46309 members:
Actually 35316 members because couples count as 2 people
Single men %
Single Female 8.4%
Couples 31.1%
Quote by Adonis
Some statistics,
Active members the last 90 days
Single men 8935 %
Single female 1073 %
Couples 2630 %
% not active the last 90 days
Total members 46309 members:
Actually 35316 members because couples count as 2 people
Single men %
Single Female 8.4%
Couples 31.1%
Now, that's what I call a constructive posting.
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Stamina,
I must agree with you, my 2 cent to this is that every member on the site must go trough a 30 day trail period.
Can chat in the pool, no whisper and can only look at one cam.
After 30 days a lot will find out they on the wrong site
Abdicating to mods....... We have met some great playmates who are not verified and would be kicked out under this rule, why not just verify people you plane on meeting on cam?
Playcouple as you said under this rule they will be kicked out, you further said why not verify plane meeting on cam, the question is, this is a way of verifying people they can meet a Mod on cam and they will be verify.
The question are why this people you met not do as you asked, because there are no pressure to verify.
There are a lot of good members but how would every one know that if they do not do some or other way to make the system works better.
Not critices you only looking to a way to get rid of so called bullshitters and that can be anyone single males, single females or couples.
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Playcouple as you said under this rule they will be kicked out, you further said why not verify plane meeting on cam, the question is, this is a way of verifying people they can meet a Mod on cam and they will be verify.
The question are why this people you met not do as you asked, because there are no pressure to verify.
There are a lot of good members but how would every one know that if they do not do some or other way to make the system works better.
Not critices you only looking to a way to get rid of so called bullshitters and that can be anyone single males, single females or couples.
In the +/- ten years we have been swinging and on various swinging sites, and from around 20 years of meeting people of the internet and being on various sites we have built up a bit of experience. So our two cents worth comes from lots of experience.
None of the proposals that have been made by various people in forums on many sites are new, that we an say with certainty as we have seen them many many times before. The 30 day rule etc we have seen implemented and it does not work. Years ago the only way to get verified was to meet mods in person, usually over a meal or a few drinks, nowadays this is easier because of the widespread availability and use of webcams, but not everyone wants to go that route, so verify them yourself over cam i you want. One problem with the 30 day rule (or any other time span) is that people register and then get cold feet, then they come back at a later stage when curiosity gets to them again (a year down the line?) and then set up a profile. To be honest what difference does it make if someone has pics or not, have a completed profile or not, have been verified or not? We are all adults here, we have a level of intelligence where we can make our own decisions. The tools on this site are there for you as a user to make an informed decision about a profile or what the parameters are of the profiles you will contact or reply to. As said before, on the paysites and the sites that have a very strict policy the people tend to be snobs and have a sense of entitlement so there are even more issues there.
A good start when trawling to find someone to contact or approach is to see when last they were active (this is on their profile), then to look at how complete/incomplete their profile is (also on their profile) then to see if you fit into what they say on their profile (also on their profile), to see if they have pics (also on their profile) if they don't make up your own mind if you want to contact them or not and lastly if you have contacted them go on cam with them to make sure that they are what you expect and for them to make sure you are what they expect.
When being contacted by someone, they have been recently active, which means (for dunces) that they are active on the site. Most contacts are a waste of time (seriously we have a hit rate of under ten percent of contacts that go to actually meeting and that is in spite of us being very selective and upfront - which people have a problem with as well, mostly because people DON'T READ OUR PROFILE IN FULL), deal with it. When contacted by someone take the trouble of reading their profile in full, that means their profile, their adds and if you can have a look at their friends and their friends profiles as well. True some people have hundreds of 'friends, but mostly they are also not very serious about meeting up, if someone has been registered on the site for a month or two and has a 100 friends we tend to pass. Almost every single person/couple on or friends list we know in person, some we have played with and some not, some we have known for many many years from other sites and places, some are just plain good friends and we have not even played with, neither are we likely to play with them, they know this and we know this, but they are good friends. When you have taken the trouble to go though their profile you reply and say 'thanks but no thanks' or 'yup, lets see where this leads'.
It takes a few minutes to go through a profile entirely, so take the trouble and save yourself wasting hours. Honestly you don't have to look at all 400 pics of the guys dick or the woman's boobs, you just have to glance at a few pics and read the rest.
It does not takes weeks of chatting to decide to meet or not to meet, unless schedule wise it is very difficult (which does happen, ask anyone that tried to meet us or even play with us in the last half of last year). If someones schedule is such that they don't have much time to meet people they are going to e even more picky and full of shit about who they do invest their time in. If you see them online often, it does not mean that they are available, it may well be that they are just chilling when they can because they are exhausted, and still taking trouble to reply to pm's. We try make a coffee and chat date within a week of first contact and, if that goes well, a playdate within a week of that again. Most people decide within the first few minutes if they will or will not play with you, but of after an hour of making a good impression you fall off your bar-stool because you have down a bottle of tequila chased by a case of beer, don't be surprised if they avoid or you never hear from them again . And when meeting up each pays for own drinks or what ever go dutch, we mostly do, and if someone has a problem with it then tough for them, find another fish, this is not a dating site and you are not going to marry them.
@Playcouple...
I agree with what you say. But I am referring to the amount of males that join on a minutely basis. There are some good guys here with the right intentions, the reasons for being here. I like the idea of being the third with a couple. Pleasuring a lady in the company of her partner is a big turn on for me, so I am on a swingers site for that very reason. My profile does state that I am also looking for a single female but that is just because I am still a man and I also enjoy normal 1on1 sex.. Kill two birds with one stone.
Th problem with so many males is that the few of us that belong here are shadowed by the many that don't. It is frustrating to try and get a couples attention that for obvious reasons give me the finger. They automatically assume that I am the same as the last 100 guys that started a message with "lets fuck"! I hate competition, especially when I know I am the better choice but get zero opportunity to prove it because many before have ruined my chance before I even had one!
The idiots confusing this site as a free brothel should leave! Those with the correct intentions remain. A pipe dream, I know... But it would be a better place for swinging couples to meet truly " like minded" individuals. I dare say this: Singles can also be swingers in a way - as long as they know the difference between swinging and random casual sex! If I ever met you guys as a couple, it would be for the sake of doing "adult" things with the couple for the benefit of both hubby and wife.. I would have the utmost respect for hubby as he is the one allowing me the honour of touching his wife. I would not just pound away for my own personal pleasure and pretend that hubby is not in the room.
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@Playcouple...
I agree with what you say. But I am referring to the amount of males that join on a minutely basis. There are some good guys here with the right intentions, the reasons for being here. I like the idea of being the third with a couple. Pleasuring a lady in the company of her partner is a big turn on for me, so I am on a swingers site for that very reason. My profile does state that I am also looking for a single female but that is just because I am still a man and I also enjoy normal 1on1 sex.. Kill two birds with one stone.
Th problem with so many males is that the few of us that belong here are shadowed by the many that don't. It is frustrating to try and get a couples attention that for obvious reasons give me the finger. They automatically assume that I am the same as the last 100 guys that started a message with "lets fuck"! I hate competition, especially when I know I am the better choice but get zero opportunity to prove it because many before have ruined my chance before I even had one!
The idiots confusing this site as a free brothel should leave! Those with the correct intentions remain. A pipe dream, I know... But it would be a better place for swinging couples to meet truly " like minded" individuals. I dare say this: Singles can also be swingers in a way - as long as they know the difference between swinging and random casual sex! If I ever met you guys as a couple, it would be for the sake of doing "adult" things with the couple for the benefit of both hubby and wife.. I would have the utmost respect for hubby as he is the one allowing me the honour of touching his wife. I would not just pound away for my own personal pleasure and pretend that hubby is not in the room.
Not to be funny, but the number of guys has very little do with profile is just not compatible with what they are looking for for whatever reason, in all likelihood your relationship status............... which has been as it is now for as long time.........
In my experience so far, the number of guys (and type of guys) has everything to do with it. I send clean, honest, respectful messages. Ice-breakers. I never imply that I want to "fuck" the wife of a couple. I make contact respectfully and more often than anything, I get rude replies. I am treated like dirt from the get go. And all those rude replies smack of frustration from the couple. I am an intelligent man - I can put 2 and 2 together. I understand straight away that a couple has had one or more bad experiences with a male. I know when I am shifted to that bracket. There are those that politely inform me that my relationship status kills my chances, and I gladly accept their decision. But most tell me in not so many words to go find another hole for my dick! And that is after a polite and respectful first contact message. Besides, my relationship status should have nothing to do with it anyway. The couple I play with is not going to marry me, it is about physical pleasure and not about people life choices. If you are a couple that wants a male to attend a session, do you want his sexual skills or do you want to move in and be a second husband. Just saying... The assholes DO make it difficult (damn near impossible) for the few decent ones.
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In my experience so far, the number of guys (and type of guys) has everything to do with it. I send clean, honest, respectful messages. Ice-breakers. I never imply that I want to "fuck" the wife of a couple. I make contact respectfully and more often than anything, I get rude replies. I am treated like dirt from the get go. And all those rude replies smack of frustration from the couple. I am an intelligent man - I can put 2 and 2 together. I understand straight away that a couple has had one or more bad experiences with a male. I know when I am shifted to that bracket. There are those that politely inform me that my relationship status kills my chances, and I gladly accept their decision. But most tell me in not so many words to go find another hole for my dick! And that is after a polite and respectful first contact message. Besides, my relationship status should have nothing to do with it anyway. The couple I play with is not going to marry me, it is about physical pleasure and not about people life choices. If you are a couple that wants a male to attend a session, do you want his sexual skills or do you want to move in and be a second husband. Just saying... The assholes DO make it difficult (damn near impossible) for the few decent ones.
Something that has been covered elsewhere, your relationship status if playing alone is important. Reason why couples often dont play with guys in any form of a relationship who are playing alone is that the chances of it blowing up and the couple getting dragged into it or being named in the divorce, or being slated by the aggrieved partner is very high, this is something that has happened to us. In this day and age of Facebook etc you find that said aggrieved partner contacts the couples work place, friends etc. and bringing what is generally a very private issue (the couple swinging) into the open and causing not just embarrassment but also a lot of inconvenience. One woman we knew years ago put on a shop in a chatroom on a swingers site, someone decided to use that vid and sent it to her boss, who terminated her contract on the basis of her dealing with the public for the company and he felt she could not do so on an impartial basis and that what she was doing caused problems in the office politics. This was before ccma etc. Bottom line is your relationship stats is important.
Orgasminator
Be on this site awhile, I can recall a lot of people lost there job being on this and other likeminded sites on there work place computers.
One girl of Durban went to the CCMA and she lost her case. she even lost her husband.
I understand. Buy I still believe that every situation should be considered in its own merit. Some can cheat discretely, some can't. Saying no to all cheaters because of fear of getting caught is too general for me. If that is your only reason for not playing with an attached (cheating) person, then I think you should atleast try to consider all the facts. I own a business, my time is flexible, I can go where I please any time of day and my girl will never know where I was. I see her one or two nights a week. She works for a boss so in an office from 8 to 5, six days a week. I WILL NOT get caught. The next guy may be stupid and tell his wife that he is going on a boys night. Wife eventually finds out that there was no boys night and the bust happens... The problem is that the world is too general. It would be a better place if each an every situation was approached individually. I will actually start another discussion on the topic to explain what I mean... Look out for (Generalizing)...
I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
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I understand. Buy I still believe that every situation should be considered in its own merit. Some can cheat discretely, some can't. Saying no to all cheaters because of fear of getting caught is too general for me. If that is your only reason for not playing with an attached (cheating) person, then I think you should atleast try to consider all the facts. I own a business, my time is flexible, I can go where I please any time of day and my girl will never know where I was. I see her one or two nights a week. She works for a boss so in an office from 8 to 5, six days a week. I WILL NOT get caught. The next guy may be stupid and tell his wife that he is going on a boys night. Wife eventually finds out that there was no boys night and the bust happens... The problem is that the world is too general. It would be a better place if each an every situation was approached individually. I will actually start another discussion on the topic to explain what I mean... Look out for (Generalizing)...
Might come as a surprise but a lot of swingers are dead set against cheating.......... and not only due to the potential complications in case of being caught.
The number of men on the site has nothing to do with how we go about pick who we do or don't chat to or meet and think it's quite safe to say that we are quite normal in that. Keep in mind that over the years we have met a hell of lot of couples.
On your basis of each one on their merit, would you honestly delve and draw information out of each new contact every day if you get five or ten new approaches per day and get very irritable with the 99% childish drivel as to 'yea but my situation is different', or would you rather take the time on the one or two per week that seem like good prospects?
There are so many people on here and so many on the other sites, why should each exception be considered in case it merits a review, that would entail meeting a few people per day, so totally impractical and a huge waste of time and has nothing to do with the number of men on the site. If you feel that your situation requires explanation put the explanation in your profile, that way you don't waste the other peoples time with the backwards and forwards until it comes up. If you really want to kill your chances then waste peoples time.
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
Another couple seeking honesty... This is swingers site, not a church gathering. Next time you stay home because you don't feel like working that day and then tell your boss that you were ill, then talk to me again about honesty. No one is 100% honest, not even a paster! People in glass houses must not throw stones. Besides, if I am being dishonest to my partner does not mean that I am being dishonest here. And the above was an example to make a different point.
This a public forum and all can say what they choose. But you have a serious problem with me from the day you decided to chat in these forums. You don't know me, so don't presume to! Sorry to the rest of the forum followers that actually talk some sense here but I have had it with all the rude and obnoxious people that come here just to pick a fight. There is a big difference between debate and argument.
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Orgasminator
Hi guys,
We feel very strongly that the essence of swinging is based in the honesty between a husband and wife, (or couple in a relationship). What sets swingers apart from others is a respect for our partner that's founded on honesty and trustworthiness.
Now cheating is in direct conflict with these values, and I would go as far as to say, shows disrespect for the unknowing partner. Irrespective of how one tries to sugar coat it, cheating remains cheating, it cannot be disguised as swinging.
So to most couples who have committed themselves to swinging as a lifestyle, embracing all aspects including the values of respect, honesty and trustworthiness, the relationship status of potential playmates does matter a great deal.
We are not judging all cheats to be bad people in every aspect of there life, but simple that as far as our respective relationship values are concerned we are polar opposites.
If you cannot respect you partner, the one you profess to love. Then when the chips are on the table, how do i trust you are going to respect my wife and my marriage?
This discussion has gone from the amount of men joining to honesty...
This bares my question...
Why all the importance about honesty? I understand that nobody likes to be lied to and all. But if I met with someone from this site for the purpose of sex and I find out that they lied about something that has no significance to what we plan to do behind closed doors, then I could not care less. I do not plan to become a business partner or let them move into my house. It's for a sexual reason that we meet up.
Granted, people will lie about things that are relevant like penis size or maybe body shape and that is what would tick me off... But seriously now... Who on this planet is honest? Everybody lies on occasion and some do it well. You are not a walking lie detector, nobody is. I hate to bare bad news for all of you but guess what? You have been lied to - often.
Orgasminator
I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
That's the problem of most of the people , but when the paw paw hits the fan they were the first to look to somebody else to blame.
In our case we rather go back to vanilla than playing with someone we knew cheat on his partner. If you can steal a pencil you can steal a million, If you can be dishonest to your partner you can be dishonest to the world, How can anybody believe you, sorry
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Was I dishonest about something in a message? You have me worried now. Did I say something that you do not believe?
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
Another couple seeking honesty... This is swingers site, not a church gathering. Next time you stay home because you don't feel like working that day and then tell your boss that you were ill, then talk to me again about honesty. No one is 100% honest, not even a paster! People in glass houses must not throw stones. Besides, if I am being dishonest to my partner does not mean that I am being dishonest here. And the above was an example to make a different point.
This a public forum and all can say what they choose. But you have a serious problem with me from the day you decided to chat in these forums. You don't know me, so don't presume to! Sorry to the rest of the forum followers that actually talk some sense here but I have had it with all the rude and obnoxious people that come here just to pick a fight. There is a big difference between debate and argument.
Before slating them for what they say, maybe you should explain exactly what your situation is, without the explanation you gave us in PM we would have exactly the same comment as cpl2play. Shows you people do actually give (you) some slack.
As for your other comments, you are correct you can say what you want as this is a public forum, it is also subject to rules and if you disregard them you can be kicked out and banned, as you can be evicted from a shop. Your comments infer that cpl2play are being obnoxious and rude, which is out of line and rude (refer my para above). They are also not in anyway trying to pick a fight. If you are saying I'm picking a fight, not at all, just taking part in your debate and with full right as per your statement of public forum. Taking part in a debate and making reference to personal experience is also not picking a fight. Attacking people taking part in a debate that you started, but where they disagree with your opinion (it is only an opinion that you have as there is no manner to get any all encompassing, credible facts) is low. Part of the rules of a debate is that all participants are allowed to state their opinion, factually correct, or not, being beside the point. If someone makes a statement about you that is incorrect due to you not having provided them with the correct facts, then you should not attack them, but rather give them the correct facts so that they have the opportunity to change their opinion or statement. People are also allowed to refer to their personal experience as a point of departure to support the basis of their statements.
As for your comment on being dishonest with your partner does not mean you will be dishonest here, very unlikely. All we have here are trust at the end of the day. If you someone is being dishonest with their partner, who is supposedly a long term relationship, then the chance of being honest with someone you will meet once and never see again is very very slim.
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Was I dishonest about something in a message? You have me worried now. Did I say something that you do not believe?
Sheesh, trying to get you a bit of slack and you reply like this.......??????????????????? read the first six words of my reply.
Quote by MIKE_
Hi guys,
We feel very strongly that the essence of swinging is based in the honesty between a husband and wife, (or couple in a relationship). What sets swingers apart from others is a respect for our partner that's founded on honesty and trustworthiness.
Now cheating is in direct conflict with these values, and I would go as far as to say, shows disrespect for the unknowing partner. Irrespective of how one tries to sugar coat it, cheating remains cheating, it cannot be disguised as swinging.
So to most couples who have committed themselves to swinging as a lifestyle, embracing all aspects including the values of respect, honesty and trustworthiness, the relationship status of potential playmates does matter a great deal.
We are not judging all cheats to be bad people in every aspect of there life, but simple that as far as our respective relationship values are concerned we are polar opposites.
If you cannot respect you partner, the one you profess to love. Then when the chips are on the table, how do i trust you are going to respect my wife and my marriage?
Well put MIKE_
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Was I dishonest about something in a message? You have me worried now. Did I say something that you do not believe?
Sheesh, trying to get you a bit of slack and you reply like this.......??????????????????? read the first six words of my reply.
Just asking what I lied about? I have not told you any lies - promise. You said "he has not been truthful with us in pm)... So I am only asking what I may have said that you think is a lie...
Orgasminator
Seeds of doubt can be a horrible thing.
Imagine playing with someone cheating on their partner, you realise just how easy it is to deceive ones partner based on your experience in the field. Now that see the excuses he/she used and you wonder if you can apply them to your marriage, you see a common piece and get doubt about the trust in your own relationship and things get uncomfortable. This is just a theoretical example of how playing with a cheater could affect your own relationship, even if the cheater is a great person (the above requires nothing from the cheater except his presence alone).
Now I'm saying that playing cheatee to a cheater will lead to the above scenario but do you really want to plant the seed and risk it? In the same way I won't cheat on a couple with one partner being excluded from the arrangement, I don't want to be the guy that ruins a relationship just to get laid. I have sent replys to guys saying speak to him/her before you send me another message.
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Was I dishonest about something in a message? You have me worried now. Did I say something that you do not believe?
Sheesh, trying to get you a bit of slack and you reply like this.......??????????????????? read the first six words of my reply.
Just asking what I lied about? I have not told you any lies - promise. You said "he has not been truthful with us in pm)... So I am only asking what I may have said that you think is a lie...
I think you missread, we took your side there, you missed the word alternatively, which is crucial in that sentence. Just to be clear, was not even implying that you lied. The point was that you were missunderstood in that you are not cheating on a partner.
Quote by playcouple
I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
I think you slightly misunderstood Stamina, alternatively he has not been truthful with us in PM, but will give benefit of the doubt.
As for the cheating yes if you are being dishonest with your partner how can people expect that you will be truthful with them.
Was I dishonest about something in a message? You have me worried now. Did I say something that you do not believe?
Sheesh, trying to get you a bit of slack and you reply like this.......??????????????????? read the first six words of my reply.
Just asking what I lied about? I have not told you any lies - promise. You said "he has not been truthful with us in pm)... So I am only asking what I may have said that you think is a lie...
I think you missread, we took your side there, you missed the word alternatively, which is crucial in that sentence. Just to be clear, was not even implying that you lied. The point was that you were missunderstood in that you are not cheating on a partner.
Oh... Sorry. My bad...
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I WILL NOT GET CAUGHT...........lol.
How do you actually expect to be taken at face value. Cheating is lying and being dishonest. How do you expect any cpls to believe what you write in your forums about being here for all the right reasons when in actual fact you are in the process of being dishonest to your partner
Where is that DAMN like button when you need it - you guys made me laugh!
