Hypothetical Bar meeting

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Pussinboots1
CAN not resist pasting this little info in.....
Tongue in the cheek ........ safe driver HUH?????
*avoiding traffic by effortlessly climbing over the centre island*
*make parking, *
I was more commenting on the public road speeding's , tracks racing, I understand.
As for
*very slim-to-none chance of people in a car getting seriously injured when a bike-car collision occurs.*
I agree that the biker will be more injured or dead, but the people in the car does not get off Scot free..even if they walk away with just a car that is now a write off....
I am talking post traumatic stress and guilt feelings if someone has died/paralyzed. Most likely they are facing reckless driving charges or man slaughter chargers if some one dies in an accident.
And then It may be the biker that has caused the accident by flying between cars and was not fast enough to prevent from slamming into a car that is crossing lanes.

Agreed. Last Friday night, Terrace Rd Edenvale (around the corner from me). 24 year old biker (actually bike rider as there is a difference), 16 yr old passanger, 3 18-20yr olds in a Hyundai I20... Rider dead, both passangers in car dead, bike passanger died this friday in Milpark Hospital. Car was on it's roof, bike was torn in 3! No-one knows what happened as driver of car in ICU, sedated. So I say slim to none, but not impossible for it to happen.
*Climbing over centre island*.. Not legal, but not dangerous either. Get stuck in a long line of traffic, check oppisite flow, when safe, cross the centre island and head back in the opposite direction. Obviously would not just drive into moving traffic.. Doing this is not "unsafe driving"... It only irritates the ones in there BMW's that can't do the same and must sit and wait!
*Making parking*.. Not unsafe by any means. Go to a busy shopping centre and no bays open. Many curbs and pavements that low front wheel drive cars can't get onto. All shopping centre's and their parking area's are private property so doing this is not illegal and definately not "unsafe" driving.
Among my business interests, I am in partnership with my father, we own a driving school... A very reputible national driving school that I can not mention the name of because you will all know which one - you have seen our vehicles and offices. I drive like I teach (exept for the centre island thing)...

19 Apr 2013

Pavement parking and illegal turns over centre island gets fined here in CPT ..... EXCEPT if you are a *combi taxi driver*

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Pussinboots1
Pavement parking and illegal turns over centre island gets fined here in CPT ..... EXCEPT if you are a *combi taxi driver*

Cos your city is DA run... A governing body that can do the job... I am Ekhuruleni, and you know what incompitent provincial gvernment controls things here.. lol

:lol:
And BTW, pavement parking only illigal on a public road or in a public area.. That is national law and cannot be superseded by provincial by-law. If you get a fine at a shopping centre where there is a parking area, don't pay it, go to court and win... That is private property and does not belong to council, traffic cops have no durisdiction in private property. The worst that could happen is the centre can wheel clamp, and even that is risky as they are private entities and not law officials, so you can nail them for destruction of property if the clamp makes even the slightest scratch on your cars wheel. If they refuse to remove the clamp because you refuse to pay them a fine, you can sue them too because no private citizen or entity can issue a fine of any sort unless you agreed contractuly before hand in writing with a signature that you would pay any amount if you disregard their rules. I have once cut a clamp off at Stone Ridge centre! They clamped my wheel, I told the security gaurd that he has 5 minutes to remove the clamp! He refused, I phoned one of my staff (My factory is nearby in Sebenza) to bring a generator and an angle grinder. He arrived in about 10 minutes, I cut the clamp off and left, never heard anything ever again - and that was about 3 years ago. And yes, the stupid security guard must have noticed that the .45 on my hip was far more intimidating than his little stick!
Bottom line: Private property is axactly that - Private - not public.

19 Apr 2013

*Climbing over centre island*.. Not legal, but not dangerous either. Get stuck in a long line of traffic, check oppisite flow, when safe, cross the centre island and head back in the opposite direction. Obviously would not just drive into moving traffic.. Doing this is not "unsafe driving"... It only irritates the ones in there BMW's that can't do the same and must sit and wait! *Making parking*.. Not unsafe by any means. Go to a busy shopping centre and no bays open. Many curbs and pavements that low front wheel drive cars can't get onto. All shopping centre's and their parking area's are private property so doing this is not illegal and definately not "unsafe" driving. Ok, while I agree with all the serious sides of the last couple of posts, I think Stamina & PIB have pretty much covered it. What I would like to add (and this is not a dig Stamina) The climbing Islands and turning around is not a big thing to me, except when it is done at the expense of oncoming traffic, which is more the rule than the exception. Guy's who "make" parking's are seen by the majority of the rest of the population as arrogant, as they generally "make a parking" that affects everyone else. So, if everyone who drove an SUV / Bakkie etc had the same approach as you do, maybe they would not be looked at in such a bad light . . . . . .

19 Apr 2013

Stupid question here..... Is a pavement NOT part of a public area as private property ends at the beginning of a pavement kerb/curb ??? and yes I am asking about shopping centre pavements.

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Pussinboots1
Stupid question here.....
Is a pavement NOT part of a public area as private property ends at the beginning of a pavement kerb??? and yes I am asking about shopping centre pavements.

19 Apr 2013

Quote by SDMR
*Climbing over centre island*.. Not legal, but not dangerous either. Get stuck in a long line of traffic, check oppisite flow, when safe, cross the centre island and head back in the opposite direction. Obviously would not just drive into moving traffic.. Doing this is not "unsafe driving"... It only irritates the ones in there BMW's that can't do the same and must sit and wait!
*Making parking*.. Not unsafe by any means. Go to a busy shopping centre and no bays open. Many curbs and pavements that low front wheel drive cars can't get onto. All shopping centre's and their parking area's are private property so doing this is not illegal and definately not "unsafe" driving.
Ok, while I agree with all the serious sides of the last couple of posts, I think Stamina & PIB have pretty much covered it.
What I would like to add (and this is not a dig Stamina) The climbing Islands and turning around is not a big thing to me, except when it is done at the expense of oncoming traffic, which is more the rule than the exception.
Guy's who "make" parking's are seen by the majority of the rest of the population as arrogant, as they generally "make a parking" that affects everyone else. So, if everyone who drove an SUV / Bakkie etc had the same approach as you do, maybe they would not be looked at in such a bad light . . . . . .

Agreed... Like I said, I will obviously check for a safe gap if I turn over the centre island and will also check for a cop. And, not that I always do it, but there are occations when one is late for something important and can't sit in that traffic.. "Boer maak n plan" comes into effect. I see it as my advantage having the vehicle that can get me out of that situation. Also a reason why I am on my bike more than in my bakkie... Zip between the line of cars at the robot and move off first when the light goes green. My bike can fit past your car, my advantage, you stay in the queue... And I never endangered anyone doing it.
As for the parking thing... I do not park where it would effect someone else, simply mean that many places have sections of pavement that are unused and only there for the architectural asthetics of the parking area. No-one will walk there or do anything else there, so I park there! I am in anyway the kind of guy that does not "take kak". Rules suck and I hate being told what to do! I park there cos not "security guard" with zero authority will tell me what to do! Best he shuts up and waits for his R400 paycheck at the end of the week! Arrogant sounding - I know, but it is just me, I do as I please, you want me to do as you please? Well then you better have a bigger stick than mine!

19 Apr 2013

Quote by SDMR
Stupid question here.....
Is a pavement NOT part of a public area as private property ends at the beginning of a pavement kerb??? and yes I am asking about shopping centre pavements.

that is a good question, any idea @Stamina? Here in MP, you get fined in checkers parking lot if your car is leaking oil . . . .
And what about Metro Police? Don't they have a slightly different "law" that they work under?
My old man ex-cop... Superintendant for 22 years, license testing officer for 8 - hence the birth of a driving school. So we know the traffic laws pretty much inside out. When I said that I have never got a fine, I acually meant that the 3 I have got were defended in court and I won every time! One for no numberplate, one for expired license disc, one for speeding. All ruled in my favour. Been pulled over a few times and been through road blocks, but the second the cop hears that you know the law, they let you go. They hate court!
The problem is that todays cops are trained in six months! Impossible to learn and know the entire traffic act in that time. If you get a fine in a parking lot, simply find out weather that parking was the property of the owners of the centre or if they leased the property from the respective counsil. If it is owned by a private entity (non-government entity), then that fine is not valid. Would you pay a fine for not wearing a seatbelt in your own driveway? The oil leak fine is illegal if that turns out be property owned by a private company, business or person. The fines are only valid if that is council property. Remeber though that driving recklessly or negligently or comitting other such "moving violations" in a parking area (private or public) can attract a legal fine as even private property like Checkers parking lot will have volumes of puplic utilising the area and endangering the pubic is illegal anywher, including private property.
As for the "pavement" being private or public, depends on what pavement... Could be at the border of the parking whereby it may or may not fall under council property, that all depends on where the owners property ends according to blue prints and his deed of title. I am refering to actual sections of raised paving or grass or islands well inside the parking lot.

19 Apr 2013

As for our cops... Metro Police are essentially "traffic police". The only difference is that along with traffic control, they are to enforce by-laws (like checking dog licenses or illegal dumping, etc. They are also expected to assist S.A.P. cops in there duties... So basically traffic cops with SAP privilages. They can arrest you for a crime totally unrelated to a traffic offence. They are restricted to durisdiction and have no provincial or national durisdiction.. A JHB Metro cop can not fine you in Ekhuruleni, and vice versa...

19 Apr 2013

Ok guys! I can see this is a pushover - I'm going to get there first! You have long forgotten about the mission!! I'm waiting next to the N1 for my classy pick up - me in my leathers and all (against the cold off course)! I'm sommer going to start walking and when I get where ever I find the Matt Lee & PIB in the Bar I'm going to lean over and start licking, and then bend over and take it like a man!! :twisted:

19 Apr 2013

Ha ha ha ha!!! We do loose the plot in every forum, don't we..lol

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Gerrie2012
Ok guys! I can see this is a pushover - I'm going to get there first!
You have long forgotten about the mission!!
I'm waiting next to the N1 for my classy pick up - me in my leathers and all (against the cold off course)!
I'm sommer going to start walking and when I get where ever I find the Matt Lee & PIB in the Bar
I'm going to lean over and start licking, and then bend over and take it like a man!!
:twisted:

While I fully agree that @Stamina & @Georgeous are still polishing the chrome on their exhaust pipes, I assure that I have not lost the mission.
When you arrive I will tell you what you have been missing . . lol

Like I said in one or other post, we really excel at talking bull . . .

19 Apr 2013

But okes... We still have to seduce Lee... She is not on the same page regarding our intentions... If she is not gonna give it up, then no-one goes first! So now we need to elect the "smooth talker" to seal the deal...

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Stamina
But okes... We still have to seduce Lee... She is not on the same page regarding our intentions... If she is not gonna give it up, then no-one goes first! So now we need to elect the "smooth talker" to seal the deal...

Has anybody noticed the lack of @LeeEC the past day or so? I reckon she is too busy laughing her head off at our pictures. . . . . but, just in case, I suggest that @Stamina & @Georgeous carry on polishing your Chrome, @Gerrie you may want to make sure that Leather does not shrink in the rain, and PIB, will you please help me take notes for the others . . .
HOWEVER, I do have a sneaky suspicion that @LeeEC IS THE SMOOTH TALKER here . . . lol

she has us all just where she want's us, :arguing" over a hypothetical situation . . ..

19 Apr 2013

Guys... I think that whatever slim chance we may have had with Lee has been deminished to zero by this forum... Lee has been quiet - I think we blew it guys.. lol

:lol:

19 Apr 2013

Quote by Stamina
Guys... I think that whatever slim chance we may have had with Lee has been deminished to zero by this forum... Lee has been quiet - I think we blew it guys.. :lol:

probably by the second time we mentioned her name, maybe she will forgive us one day

19 Apr 2013

What IS clear is that I certainly seem to have a gift for getting a thread red hot and keeping it there smile

So I think you guys need me to throw you a bone or two... as it's clear you did not pay attention when I said your toys would not impress... @Stamina you have made a lot of claims regarding your ability to "get there first"... you will have to prove your claims my friend... but I do believe that getting there first is quite the opposite of what I would consider "stamina"... :twisted: It is clear you will all need instructions... perhaps I will send you all seperate invitations and the one who figures out the venue first will get there first..... Btw, I do approve of the photographic offerings so far... you'll do, you'll do... whip

But I see only some of you are taking this seriously... So when I said I wasn't clear on what I would get out of this, I meant, beyond sticky, lemony and salty, I really don't understand why I'm coming to this event if that's all that's in it for me.... I mean at this stage teh only girl whos a very happy girl is PIB - she has your pants AND she gets to bring her whips and deal with anyone who misbehaves... and she's been promised she'll be busy.... All I've been promised is the dire need for a shower... lol

21 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
What IS clear is that I certainly seem to have a gift for getting a thread red hot and keeping it there
So I think you guys need me to throw you a bone or two... as it's clear you did not pay attention when I said your toys would not impress...
@Stamina you have made a lot of claims regarding your ability to "get there first"... you will have to prove your claims my friend... but I do believe that getting there first is quite the opposite of what I would consider "stamina"... :twisted:
It is clear you will all need instructions... perhaps I will send you all seperate invitations and the one who figures out the venue first will get there first.....
Btw, I do approve of the photographic offerings so far... you'll do, you'll do...
But I see only some of you are taking this seriously...
So when I said I wasn't clear on what I would get out of this, I meant, beyond sticky, lemony and salty, I really don't understand why I'm coming to this event if that's all that's in it for me.... I mean at this stage teh only girl whos a very happy girl is PIB - she has your pants AND she gets to bring her whips and deal with anyone who misbehaves... and she's been promised she'll be busy....
All I've been promised is the dire need for a shower...

The lady goes all quite for a while then comes back and serves us all a good helping of " is that all?" personaly I am embarrassed, I DO however accept the challenge . . . .
Well written LeeEC . . . . . .

22 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
What IS clear is that I certainly seem to have a gift for getting a thread red hot and keeping it there
So I think you guys need me to throw you a bone or two... as it's clear you did not pay attention when I said your toys would not impress...
................
All I've been promised is the dire need for a shower...

22 Apr 2013

Quote by Gerrie2012
What IS clear is that I certainly seem to have a gift for getting a thread red hot and keeping it there
So I think you guys need me to throw you a bone or two... as it's clear you did not pay attention when I said your toys would not impress...
................
All I've been promised is the dire need for a shower...

Good morning ye'all! and LeeEC!
I'll volunteer to shower and help with the clean up! ...but I think the reason for us men not taking it any further than gulping and licking the beautiful body shots - with respect!! - was that Matt did not indicate how far we're allowed to take his lady!!
team...!? I need your wise support!!
:lol:
@Gerrie, support is always available.
Now, first things first, we (the male section of the now aptly named MooPoo Gang) are to date the only ones who have mentioned Matt.
@LeeEC has not mentioned the name (well not that I can recall and not for the purposes of this conversation anyway) . . . so, perhaps we should . . . nah, screw it. :lol:
@LeeEC are you proposing that we stop looking at this as a frigging good excuse to get together for a piss up????? and actually look at it as something different? :cheers: drinkies

AND, @Stamina that's the second time this girly has handed you your short and curlies . . . . (despite my every effort to get some kind of abuse from her, she always picks you) wink

22 Apr 2013

Ok, Matt declines to be part of this discussion (I think he just wants to see if you guys can deal with me without his help)... So.... SDMR, the reason I asked Stamina to prove his claims... well he makes a lot of them doesn't he... big mouth.... maybe he has other big things too? We shall see.... we shall see.... You on the other hand, just need to ask if you want a spanking.... but you do have to be naughty first :twisted:

22 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
Ok, Matt declines to be part of this discussion (I think he just wants to see if you guys can deal with me without his help)...
So.... SDMR, the reason I asked Stamina to prove his claims... well he makes a lot of them doesn't he... big mouth.... maybe he has other big things too? We shall see.... we shall see....
You on the other hand, just need to ask if you want a spanking.... but you do have to be naughty first :twisted:

@Stamina, that's three by my count . . . lol

@LeeEC, so I'm asking, but help a guy out, define "naughty"

22 Apr 2013

Oh gee.... well you have flirt with this married woman... very inappropriate... fondle her in public, discretely but not subtly... That would definitely qualify as naughty.... Send her suggestive seductive messages.... that would definitely get you a spanking...

22 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
Oh gee.... well you have flirt with this married woman... very inappropriate... fondle her in public, discretely but not subtly...
That would definitely qualify as naughty....
Send her suggestive seductive messages.... that would definitely get you a spanking...

or a proper bloody hiding from her hubby . . .
duel

22 Apr 2013

Do I look like the kind of chick who needs a man to do her dirty work for her? lol

No darling.... he is the one holding the camera.... :twisted:

23 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
Do I look like the kind of chick who needs a man to do her dirty work for her?
No darling.... he is the one holding the camera.... :twisted:

Aah, you see now.
Game on lady :sparring:

23 Apr 2013

Quote by LeeEC
Do I look like the kind of chick who needs a man to do her dirty work for her?
No darling.... he is the one holding the camera.... :twisted:

That is why I said you and PIB could bring the whips and chains.

23 Apr 2013

Ok, so yesterday was hectic and I missed out on my daily fix of forum posting... I return now to find myself in kak once again.. lol

It's not "big mouth"... It's confidence! I was always told that confidence gets the girl - or was I mislead? Besides, if you got it, flaunt it!! wink

he he he... Sorry Lee, no, no other big things, just my ego so far... :lol: :lol: Besides, you've seen my album - you should what size is what... :twisted: Regarding the "speed" thing - Lee Baby, I have this nickname for a reason... :wink:

23 Apr 2013

I see that I am being left out of Lee's assault. What did I do ? :sad:

23 Apr 2013

Quote by georgeous
I see that I am being left out of Lee's assault. What did I do ? :sad:

@Georgeous, the trick is to make yourself get assualted, @LeeEC is the girl, she doesn't chase boys . . . .