This is a sensitive topic and the word "sexist" may end up being thrown around if taken out of context... but here goes...
Woman wanted liberation. They wanted to be an equal part of society. They wanted the same freedoms and such that men had. In short, they wanted to be "equal" to men... So it happened. Females can get the same employment as males, live the same lifestyles, do the same sports, etc. They want to be independent and want to do all the things we men do on the same level and so they do (or do they?)...
I recently started a darts club. We play every Wednesday night. I had a darts club about 10 years back and it was a "couples" club. Couples competed against each other in a partners format and the winning couple was victorious as a couple. Some very bad arguments often occurred between man and wife when the lady would throw badly or the man was doing all the work to ensure a win. I was one of them... My girl was horrible at the sport and I am pretty good (pretty damn good!). So I would throw a high score and my partner would then throw a very low score. At the point of closing the game of 301 with a double, I would even out the score for her and she would (not surprisingly) mess it up and put us back at an odd number, leaving me to finish. I shut the club down because every event was filled with arguments and the fun had left the building.
Anyway... So 10 years later I start this new club. We pay an annual membership fee of R200 per person and every Wednesday on club night an entry fee of R20 per person goes into a kitty. We play singles and everyone plays everyone (round robin). Each match is comprised of 2 games and scored as such, you win both games you get 2 points and the apponent gets 0. Win 1 and you get a point and apponent gets a point. At the end of the night when all matches are done, scores are tallied, the highest number of points gets the kitty.
Now the dilemma. Almost all the ladies that insisted we all play for ourselves and not let it be a couples thing are now up in arms because no female has won a night yet. As a matter of fact, I have won every time accept for one time where I was beaten in score by my uncle by 1 point. The ladies are now saying that is unfair that they will never win the money because the men are just too good. We now have to split the kitty and the lady with the highest points gets half and the man with highest points gets half... Darts is not a strenuous sport so a man's superior physical strength is not an advantage.
This makes me wonder... Do woman want to be equal and be treated equal but with an unfair advantage? Is it that women want to have the same jobs as men because they can do the same job or because they simply want it? Do they want equal treatment but with some advantages?
Please do not call me sexist, I am far from it. I am simply making a bigger picture in my mind based on my observations in my darts club.
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I think the problem with this whole senario is that you made this darts thing about feminism.
NOT all women want to be equal with men (or feminists). In fact I do believe that the ladies in question here, may echo my sentiments... "Equal? To who? For what?"
I'm perfectly happy not to be equal to my man.... I do NOT want a hairy back, thank you!
Warming the Bed
What do women really want????????
the answer is obvious to me VODKA
PiB1 if you are looking do i sound like a raging alky now? thats twice ive mentioned voddie in the forums :rascal:
PiB1 if you are looking do i sound like a raging alky now? thats twice ive mentioned voddie in the forums :rascal: 
:smackbottom::smackbottom::bs:
:drinkies:
Nah , each of us like a certain thing that floats our boats..if Vodka is yours Enjoy!!!!
Sex God
My take on it would be Yes and No . . . . .different people want / need / feel differently about the same thing. It's like the old saying "treat me as an equal, but open the door for me" . . .
Stamina young man, another potential possibility here (darts scenario) is that the ladies are looking at this as a "Fun & Not Serious" outing / evening and maybe the competitive nature of the game of darts is actually what is not working for them.
My suggestion to you to counteract this would be that each male should drink 4 Scotches and a Six Pack before the games start. Then when they start throwing like a bunch of . . . . and become angry, they can rip each others throats out while the ladies carry on playing and one of them wins it.
You know, "be yourself, just differently" . . . . .
All makes sense so far. Lee makes a good point and SDMR says it perfectly: Treat me equal but open the door for me"... I just feel that if you want to win, then you must play well, not get given an unfair advantage so that your chances of winning can increase. let me use a comparison example as I so live to do to get my point across (or drilled in 
)... If two people race their cars in a street and one car is faster than the other, is it really a fair challenge to give the slower car a head start? Or is does it not make more sense to tell the owner of the slower car to tune his car to make it faster in order to take on the fast car?
With darts, I have 3 sets I play with. All professional Tungsten darts. Very expensive and I only use high quality shafts and flights. Most in the club just use cheap brass darts from Makro. So my equipment gives me an edge... those who want the same edge must go and buy pro darts to compete on my level (and obviously improve there game) other wise accept the fact that they will never win the pot.
I am competitive in every sport I do and I play everybody to win. Ever heard the saying "it's not whether you win or loose, it's how you play the game"?... well that is a bullshit saying! It is all about the pursuit of victory. I could not care less if you are male or female or even disabled, I play to win! If you suck at the sport we are playing then it is your problem...
And yes... Vodka is good!!
)... If two people race their cars in a street and one car is faster than the other, is it really a fair challenge to give the slower car a head start? Or is does it not make more sense to tell the owner of the slower car to tune his car to make it faster in order to take on the fast car?
With darts, I have 3 sets I play with. All professional Tungsten darts. Very expensive and I only use high quality shafts and flights. Most in the club just use cheap brass darts from Makro. So my equipment gives me an edge... those who want the same edge must go and buy pro darts to compete on my level (and obviously improve there game) other wise accept the fact that they will never win the pot.
I am competitive in every sport I do and I play everybody to win. Ever heard the saying "it's not whether you win or loose, it's how you play the game"?... well that is a bullshit saying! It is all about the pursuit of victory. I could not care less if you are male or female or even disabled, I play to win! If you suck at the sport we are playing then it is your problem...
And yes... Vodka is good!! 
Orgasminator
Its true in life everyone is there to win and be the winner, but the fact is that there can only be one winner. But that not mean you had to stop trying and for the most of us its more for the fun as the win.
Good example of a sport where there still a advantage to be a women is golf, Me playing golf, i could not even reach the women's tee of box. But every time i had the change i play again. Why did i play golf firdt for the fun and not reach the womens tee box i had to buy a round.
I think what is also true is people who want to be the winner in an argument as well, and when he not the winner they became agro, and where did you see it the best, yes you right here in the forum.
All i hope is that the "Springbokke" also have the winners mentality.:giveup::giveup::giveup::giveup:
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Its true in life everyone is there to win and be the winner, but the fact is that there can only be one winner. But that not mean you had to stop trying and for the most of us its more for the fun as the win.
Good example of a sport where there still a advantage to be a women is golf, Me playing golf, i could not even reach the women's tee of box. But every time i had the change i play again. Why did i play golf firdt for the fun and not reach the womens tee box i had to buy a round.
I think what is also true is people who want to be the winner in an argument as well, and when he not the winner they became agro, and where did you see it the best, yes you right here in the forum.
All i hope is that the "Springbokke" also have the winners mentality.:giveup::giveup::giveup::giveup:
Golf is perfect example to cement my point. Ladies can play a damn good game of golf... bearing in mind that their T box is much closer to the pin and they play each hole a shorter distance than men... A woman can not reach a 400 meter par 4 in 4 or less shots from the men's T... it is a strength issue though because there is nothing different with their short game and approach shots, only driving carries the advantage of being closer. But they are still given an advantage... just saying.
Sex God
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Its true in life everyone is there to win and be the winner, but the fact is that there can only be one winner. But that not mean you had to stop trying and for the most of us its more for the fun as the win.
Good example of a sport where there still a advantage to be a women is golf, Me playing golf, i could not even reach the women's tee of box. But every time i had the change i play again. Why did i play golf firdt for the fun and not reach the womens tee box i had to buy a round.
I think what is also true is people who want to be the winner in an argument as well, and when he not the winner they became agro, and where did you see it the best, yes you right here in the forum.
All i hope is that the "Springbokke" also have the winners mentality.:giveup::giveup::giveup::giveup:
Golf is perfect example to cement my point. Ladies can play a damn good game of golf... bearing in mind that their T box is much closer to the pin and they play each hole a shorter distance than men... A woman can not reach a 400 meter par 4 in 4 or less shots from the men's T... it is a strength issue though because there is nothing different with their short game and approach shots, only driving carries the advantage of being closer. But they are still given an advantage... just saying.
BUT, in fairness guy's, there are a number of MEN on the golf course that should be using the ladies T-Box.
Warming the Bed
So my ten cents worth....
Stamina, I too like to play to win. Participating is fun, but winning is good fun.
Having said that, we are not all equal, and cannot all be measured equally despite the will to compete.
In weightlifting for example - I happened to see some of the commonwealth games, and a cursory glance at my profile should be enough evidence to prove that I'm no weightlifter - a 60KG lighty is never ever going to lift as much as a 120kg So should he not be a competitive weightlifter any more? Rather let him compete against physical specimens closer to his own physique.
Some sports cannot be categorized without getting silly. 100m sprint for example. Dam, we wanna know who the fastest man / woman on the planet is. Period.
Now as equal as woman have professed a desire to be, there are some areas where they just cant / don't measure up because of physiological differences, and provision has been made in a gender split. Imagine if the Men bokke played the Woman Bokke.?
Darts, you may argue, is not a sport based on physical prowess, and a good argument that may be.
Men, i would go so far as to say, are genetically geared differently, and without waxing lyrical on the evolution of mankind, have had an evolutionary need to be better co-ordinated, physically stronger for the hunter / gatherer role. A couple of years of burning bra's does not really change much. So would we (Men) - in most cases be better a darts? I think so...
Having said all of the above - and its all meant to be light hearted - when I play darts with my daughter, I accept that Im going to be much better than her (and so does she) so the competition becomes irrelevant, and its purely about fun. I have to throw left handed (and no, im not a lefty) The problem of course is that now Im not too shabby as a left handed player, although thats story for another day.
With regards your particular darts club dilemma....
In reality, the woman are never or hardly ever (no insult intended) going to win playing against the men. Everyone needs to accept that.
Split the pot, and play 2 'leagues' if it really is about being champion.
Play partners again, but then accept that you - Stamina- may not always be victorious because of your partners shortcomings. Turn it into a fun evening, with a little prize and pride on the side, and everyone having a good experience.
Start a ' serious competition evening for the guys only ! Woman allowed to sit and watch only.
I suspect you weren't looking for solutions to your darts club dilemma, but rather a view on personal view is that its not about equality, but rather about respect, and respect comes about by treating people equally while recognizing their differences.
Oh, and sometimes checking that competitive streak for the sake of all involved is not a bad thing..winning is fun, but so is having fun.
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So my ten cents worth....
Stamina, I too like to play to win. Participating is fun, but winning is good fun.
Having said that, we are not all equal, and cannot all be measured equally despite the will to compete.
In weightlifting for example - I happened to see some of the commonwealth games, and a cursory glance at my profile should be enough evidence to prove that I'm no weightlifter - a 60KG lighty is never ever going to lift as much as a 120kg
So should he not be a competitive weightlifter any more? Rather let him compete against physical specimens closer to his own physique.
Some sports cannot be categorized without getting silly. 100m sprint for example. Dam, we wanna know who the fastest man / woman on the planet is. Period.
Now as equal as woman have professed a desire to be, there are some areas where they just cant / don't measure up because of physiological differences, and provision has been made in a gender split. Imagine if the Men bokke played the Woman Bokke.?
Darts, you may argue, is not a sport based on physical prowess, and a good argument that may be.
Men, i would go so far as to say, are genetically geared differently, and without waxing lyrical on the evolution of mankind, have had an evolutionary need to be better co-ordinated, physically stronger for the hunter / gatherer role. A couple of years of burning bra's does not really change much. So would we (Men) - in most cases be better a darts? I think so...
Having said all of the above - and its all meant to be light hearted - when I play darts with my daughter, I accept that Im going to be much better than her (and so does she) so the competition becomes irrelevant, and its purely about fun. I have to throw left handed (and no, im not a lefty) The problem of course is that now Im not too shabby as a left handed player, although thats story for another day.
With regards your particular darts club dilemma....
In reality, the woman are never or hardly ever (no insult intended) going to win playing against the men. Everyone needs to accept that.
Split the pot, and play 2 'leagues' if it really is about being champion.
Play partners again, but then accept that you - Stamina- may not always be victorious because of your partners shortcomings. Turn it into a fun evening, with a little prize and pride on the side, and everyone having a good experience.
Start a ' serious competition evening for the guys only ! Woman allowed to sit and watch only.
I suspect you weren't looking for solutions to your darts club dilemma, but rather a view on personal view is that its not about equality, but rather about respect, and respect comes about by treating people equally while recognizing their differences.
Oh, and sometimes checking that competitive streak for the sake of all involved is not a bad thing..winning is fun, but so is having fun.
Brilliantly said... I will change up the system of things in the club and hope it all gets resolved and darts evening is once more a happy time.
Sexlightened
I do not purport to speak on behalf of all women and can only give you my thoughts and feelings on the subject:
I do NOT want to be considered equal to any man....I set my standards far higher than that .....only kidding....kinda.
The feminist movement was fighting for equal rightsfor women. Women were not allowed to vote and were second class citizens, they were in a comparable situation to the non-whites during apartheid.
I merely want to have the same rights, privileges and freedom of choice as any other adult, regardless of race or gender. I am extremely competitive and I am better at a number of things than both my male and female counterparts. There are also whole host of things that I am' useless at. I would imagine that my aforementioned statement is true for most people (again, regardless of gender).
That being said, I am still a lady and I enjoy (and appreciate) it when I am treated like one. In return, I treat men like gentlemen etc.
Stamina: I play a mean game of darts and would gladly take you on, but not as your equal, as your superior :twisted: . This status is not one that I would expect claim through any special treatment....I would prove myself and earn it (like any other person regardless of race) by winning and being the best!
Oh, if you wanted to try your hand at a game of poker or pool with me, I am fairly certain that I would 'kick your proverbial ass' at those too! As for golf, I won't bother challenging you as I suck at golf....simply put: I only do something if I am certain that I can become the best at it and, as such, I expect and demand to receive the same benefits and rewards that my male counterparts would have received (had they been able to best me) and would be most aggrieved if I got anything less. The rewards and benefits should be based on how the task has been performed and not on the gender, age, race etc of the person eg The darts league consists of 20 players (16 males and 4 females) who play round-robin matches every week. Individual match scores are recorded and accumulated until the end of league season. A prize for the top individual score at the end of the darts league season is R1000 and this should be given to whomever achieves the highest score (whether male or female) and not suddenly be reduced to R500 because a female happened to be the winner.
Hugz
Mrs Cat
I do NOT want to be considered equal to any man....I set my standards far higher than that
.....only kidding....kinda.The feminist movement was fighting for equal rightsfor women. Women were not allowed to vote and were second class citizens, they were in a comparable situation to the non-whites during apartheid.
I merely want to have the same rights, privileges and freedom of choice as any other adult, regardless of race or gender. I am extremely competitive and I am better at a number of things than both my male and female counterparts. There are also whole host of things that I am' useless at. I would imagine that my aforementioned statement is true for most people (again, regardless of gender).
That being said, I am still a lady and I enjoy (and appreciate) it when I am treated like one. In return, I treat men like gentlemen etc.
Stamina: I play a mean game of darts and would gladly take you on, but not as your equal, as your superior :twisted: . This status is not one that I would expect claim through any special treatment....I would prove myself and earn it (like any other person regardless of race) by winning and being the best!
Oh, if you wanted to try your hand at a game of poker or pool with me, I am fairly certain that I would 'kick your proverbial ass' at those too! As for golf, I won't bother challenging you as I suck at golf....simply put: I only do something if I am certain that I can become the best at it and, as such, I expect and demand to receive the same benefits and rewards that my male counterparts would have received (had they been able to best me) and would be most aggrieved if I got anything less. The rewards and benefits should be based on how the task has been performed and not on the gender, age, race etc of the person eg The darts league consists of 20 players (16 males and 4 females) who play round-robin matches every week. Individual match scores are recorded and accumulated until the end of league season. A prize for the top individual score at the end of the darts league season is R1000 and this should be given to whomever achieves the highest score (whether male or female) and not suddenly be reduced to R500 because a female happened to be the winner.
Hugz
Mrs Cat
